Комментарии к фотографиям из города Анджу (троллейбус)

I believe the only transport in Hyesan city (maybe somewhere in coal mine there is something...) are buses: http://cybernk.net/common/ImgPopup2.aspx...irect=1
41.428470669963765, 128.23754424407215 is the only depot that I see in Hyesan and is only buses.
Also, looking at Kimchaek on satellite, it shows that in 2009, 6 trolleybu; 2011, 5 trolleybus; 2012, 2 trolleybus until 2017/8 then removed, suspended from 2012 - 2018/9 then two vehicles appear later 2019.

Quote (jiachen, 25.03.2021):
> prove or disprove a system?

In regards to tokchon there are very few pictures at all, so I can't be that helpful. However, Sunchon happens to be on the main railway line between the east and west coasts, ensuring some minimum level of pictures from the train.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/21005841@N04/15378595393/ This picture seems to show a lack of wires over the bridge that crosses the taedong river.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lkyKYgT5WD8/X.../21.jpg From a chemical plant opening photos, 2019. The roads close to the main station are visible but blurry.

https://youtu.be/hGHS8YMrM2k A video taken from the other side of the train station, indicating no wires.

I also have found a segment of a video near silyeonpo https://youtu.be/i7cbNaVVlRU?t=376 but it's ultimately not very useful.

All of this seems to strongly suggest against a system in Sunchon, unless it somehow weaves a path that avoids all of these spots (or was abandoned, again..)

I agree that the source you used to find the pictures of the systems in other mining towns is generally trustworthy, hopefully those ones can be found... I will look again when I have time. I agree that Rason doesn't have a system, Hyesan likely doesn't (maybe it will have a new one like Manpo), Songrim has https://dimg.donga.com/wps/NEWS/IMAGE/20...5.2.jpg this picture which indicates no wires on the main road, and there are quite a few pictures of the industrial areas, none of which I have seen that indicate a trolleybus.

Chongnyon means Youth 청년, (like the youth hotel in pyongyang) I see it in many names and signs in north korea. I am not sure about Markyn.

I've updated the map with both spots (Sunchon and Yonsan) https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid...34&z=16

One important clue is that between 2016 and 2017 on google earth it appears that the area in front of the house of culture was rebuilt, and that the trolley poles were not reinstalled. For 30 meters or so to the east, along the roadway, poles were clearly visible in the old satellite imagery, and not in the newer one. Also in this place https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8664166,...3m1!1e3 there were poles before 2016. So, my takeaway is that it definitely existed, but was abandoned (why would they randomly take the transmission lines down)

If you ever have any other photos I will try to pinpoint them, No problem.

Quote (Gamerdgl, 25.03.2021):
> hope

I would love for it to have a trolleybus system but it is most likely for posters as I believe. The only identifiable structure that I see is a turning loop for blue and green buses on the western end of the main road from 2018. Interestingly, there are photos from Kaesong that shows some kind of bracket mount. Also, I must ask, have you found any videos from Tokchon to prove or disprove a system? I found no videos and the closest photo looks more like a transmission line.

I believe there is a high chance of a trolleybus in Kapsan and Sudong (Kowon coal mine). The south Korean survey team said both of these coal mines have a trolleybus. They say 3,9km in Kapsan (Tongjom-rodongjagu). I see some poles on one side of road in Tongjom, but the satellite image for Sudong is too poor to judge.
Similarly, I believe there is a small chance of a trolleybus in Ryongdung-rodongjagu to Ryongdung coal mine, though again the satellite imagery is too poor and videos shot by dprktoday.com do not show the actual streets in clarity, but the satellite images do clearly show poles over a small bridge.
The cities that I feel absolutely do not have a trolleybus are Hyesan, Rason (nor when it was only Rajin and Unggi), Unhung (which is next to Hyesan) and Songrim. I also think its unlikely for there to be a network in Kusong. I am certain that Hyesan has a good bus network, but no trolleybuses. The only 'depot' visible in satellite imagery is a bus depot, although some buses have dirty roofs that might look like the poles of a trolleybus.
Maybe Ryongdae had a line to the coal mine at some point, there were once tracks in snow near train station in satellite image but it definitely does not exist anymore, if at all.

I do have doubts on some online lists of trolleybus systems; they listed Manpo years before it was built and satellite imagery shows no poles before 2019. All of them similarly have the same misspelling of Kumgol-dong as "Kimkol". Some lists say this 'Markyn-Kimol-Chognyon' which is impossible place name for Korea, and I don't know what the other two are.
Although in this photo of Yonsan, Holdong-rodongjagu [http://www.cybernk.net/EV_CyberNKFile/im...002.jpg] the overhead is maybe a transmission line as Yury pointed out, I feel it still could be an unfinished project at least (only the suspension cable for overhead installed), since the poles bear a strong resemblance to the ones used in Sangwon and Onsong, both bidirectional one way lines ie. tall pole with a line connecting the top of the pole to the metal bar that sticks out. Of course I could be completely wrong, it could be an electric power line, but I have not seen one in north Korea that uses poles like the trolleybus poles. In this photo, [http://www.cybernk.net/EV_CyberNKFile/im...003.jpg] the cables seem too low, but there are no connections to the building, as would be expected for a transmission cable, and here is another image of the cables[http://www.cybernk.net/EV_CyberNKFile/im...005.jpg]. This photo [http://www.cybernk.net/EV_CyberNKFile/im...004.jpg] seems to show a similar poles in front of the Holdong House of Culture.
Finally, do you have a video of Sunchon, its thought there might be a trolleybus there.
Thanks for your compilation of videos.

Ah yes, I see. The footage from Sariwon at street level matches. (It seems to happen on a few occasions that people put the wrong spot..) One thing I have noticed is that buildings are repainted quite often in the DPRK, maybe every 4 or 5 years! So it can make matching pictures confusing sometimes

How dissapointing about Haeju.. I'll just put everything I found
https://m.bilibili.com/video/BV1uV411175...ocard.0

A video of the entire northern road disproving a trolleybus in 2019, previous pictures from 2008-2010 of the central square are numerous and also don't show any wires on the northern road (there are only 2 plausible roads)

The last hope seems to be, like you said, an abandoned system. https://bit.ly/3fpZUjN I am not good enough to pinpoint where this stop is but the photo is from around 2010. Is the pole of the kind that might have carried trolleywire at somepoint? or is it just for posters? I suspect that sort of photo is the best chance to prove or disprove if the system ever existed in the first place.

Quote (Gamerdgl, 25.03.2021):
> ?

I too, saw that website, but under another discussion, it turns out it is not from there. Instead from Sariwon city - check the photos under that city and there is a extreme resemblance.
Now, if there was one, it was likely removes in the 90s but I have doubts it existed at all. Bus traffic is very developed in that city.

Quote (Yury LRTA, 01.03.2021):
> Цитата (jiachen, 25.02.2021):
> > Hello Yury, I have an image that I'm unsure of https://img1.daumcdn.net/thumb/R1280x0/?...70D260F from this website https://blog.daum.net/kwon.m.ki/1339?category=3885
> > This image is allegedly Kaesong (which depending on the source either had an incomplete trolleybus system or a dismantled one) but I'm not sure it can be matched by map to Kaesong. Where do you think this actually is?
>
> This is Wonsan. The location is marked on the map under the following photo:
> https://transphoto.org/photo/1448577/
> I hope you wouldn't mind )
>
> The buildings' structure and even color are best visible in 05.2015 Google Earth Pro photo. There was no island in the middle of the square before 06.2015.

https://www.qsl.net/ah6hy/haeju.html

what about these ones?

They claim to be Haeju, I have a 2019 video of one of the two main roads in that city, but the pictures don't seem to match where the route would be in Haeju.

Nevertheless, a one-way southbound-only line is clearly visible in this photo from 2006, including support beams, while no overhead support poles are visible on the other side of the street. Thus the one-way loop (or simply one-way lines on each side of the park for through service) clearly existed before. It looks like by 2018 when the video was shot, the operation was cut back to the Anju, Depot - Sinanju segment with trolleybuses turning around at the Depot. This would explain the wiring visible in the video around 26:00.

Цитата (jiachen, 16.03.2021):
> I find it odd for what seemingly is a one way loop has poles on both sides.

It might be a leftover of some previous arrangement. Or most likely some unrealized plans, since within the main square itself the poles are on one side of the road only. Say, trolleybuses used to operate via the main square and the northern side of the park in both directions in early years, before the depot was built on the south side of the park.

Quote (Gamerdgl, 16.03.2021):
> park

With the wires on the other side of the park, it seems it clearly used to be existing with poles that look like the ones in the Manpo photo here (like these https://transphoto.org/photo/1416595/); shame they weren't seated opposite in the bus, then they would've captured the depot.
I find it odd for what seemingly is a one way loop has poles on both sides.
As the section to Namhung Youth Chemical Complex closed in 2000, they had slowly removed some poles, though by satellite imagery in the industrial area itself some still exists.
Maybe the minibuses in that video replaced the trolleybus

https://youtu.be/iDT84W7H6Go?t=1275

by accident I found a video of this area a few months ago, the wires on the bridge are clearly gone, but the wires are present between Sinanju and Anju. My only problem is that when the bus turns at 26:00, there are no wires going around the park. The southbound wire turns, actually. Either the system was converted to a two way line, or it never went one-way through Anju.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid...42&z=14

For your convenience, the trajectory of the bus on a map.

Quote (Yury LRTA, 08.03.2021):
> cannot see these changes

sorry, I didn't use google earth, I used 38northdigitalatlas.org, its not very clear but they do always purchase close to the latest imagery, it is not dated but is clearly after the 2/2020 google imagery.
In fact, there is one much cleaner roof in the trolleybus depot.

In other cities, Sariwon has updated on google earth, two ikarus articulated trolleybuses are on the line.

Цитата (jiachen, 08.03.2021):
> On the latest satellite imagery, three trolleybuses have been moved to near the south wall of the depot from the north, three other vehicles that were within the depot have been moved, one or two seemed to have disappeared.
> However, there is one vehicle with a dirty/brown roof on the northern side of the loop around the city park

Interesting, it looks like Google updated the satellite view earlier for Chinese users, but not in the US. From the States I cannot see these changes, and the latest available view is still from 02/2020. There are 6 trolleybuses parked near the northern wall of the depot. Waiting for an update for a better view )

> and a few vehicles near Sinanju station, though these are most likely buses

The only segment of the line that is still under question is between the Sinanju Station and this loop:
https://transphoto.org/photo/1412201/

So far I never saw a single piece of evidence that overhead exists on this segment, and trolleybuses actually go to the railroad station itself.

There is clearly a bus depot north of the station, but it is not designed for trolleybuses and only holds vehicles that are 10 meter long or shorter, thus not trolleybuses.

On the latest satellite imagery, three trolleybuses have been moved to near the south wall of the depot from the north, three other vehicles that were within the depot have been moved, one or two seemed to have disappeared.
However, there is one vehicle with a dirty/brown roof on the northern side of the loop around the city park, and a few vehicles near Sinanju station, though these are most likely buses

Цитата (jiachen, 25.02.2021):
> Hello Yury, I have an image that I'm unsure of https://img1.daumcdn.net/thumb/R1280x0/?...70D260F from this website https://blog.daum.net/kwon.m.ki/1339?category=3885
> This image is allegedly Kaesong (which depending on the source either had an incomplete trolleybus system or a dismantled one) but I'm not sure it can be matched by map to Kaesong. Where do you think this actually is?

This is Wonsan. The location is marked on the map under the following photo:
https://transphoto.org/photo/1448577/
I hope you wouldn't mind )

The buildings' structure and even color are best visible in 05.2015 Google Earth Pro photo. There was no island in the middle of the square before 06.2015.

Again, a truly unique find. The first photo of the segment of the network to the chemical plant. The length of this line was 22 km (one way), which included the 1,5 km-long bridge over the river. The length of the one-way loop itself was 11 km.

The entire Anju network, including the western segment to Sinanju was 33 km (one-way).

See my map of the entire Anju interurban trolleybus network here:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid....076904

Thanks for the latest find from jiachen on chronology of the network, it looks like we have the following timeline on the Anju network:

Appx. 1987 - The Anju - Chemical Plant 22 km-long segment opens.
24.08.1993 - The Anju - Sinanju 11 km-long segment opens.
Appx. 2000 - The Anju - Chemical Plant segment closes.
Mid 2010s - Operation on remaining Anju - Sinanju ceases.

It looks like the remaining Anju - Sinanju 14 km-long segment (including the Anju city loop) nowadays remains mothballed. The line to the Chemical plant is dismantled since the early 2000s.

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Снова уникальная находка. Первое фото участка сети на химзавод. Длина этой линии составляла 22 км (в одну сторону). Линия в т.ч. шла через мост протяженностью 1,5 км. через реку. Длина одностороннего кольцевого участка составляла 11 км.

Вся сеть Анджу, включая западный сегмент до Синанджу, составляла 33 км (в одну сторону) в длину.

См. мою карту всей междугородной троллейбусной сети Анджу здесь:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid....076904

Благодаря последней находке пользователя jiachen по хронологии сети, похоже, у нас получается след. картина по развитию троллейбусной сети в Анджу:

Прибл. 1987 - Открытие участка Анджу - Химический завод протяженностью 22 км.
24.08.1993 - Открытие участка Анджу - Синанджу протяженностью 11 км.
Прибл. 2000 - Закрытие участка Анджу - Химический завод.
Середина 2010-х - Движение на оставшемся участке Анджу - Синанджу преостановливается.

Похоже, что оставшийся 14-километровый участок Анджу - Синанджу (включая городскую петлю в Анджу) в настоящее время остается законсервированным. Линия к Химическому заводу демонтирована ещё в начале 2000-х годов.

Hello Yury, I have an image that I'm unsure of https://img1.daumcdn.net/thumb/R1280x0/?...70D260F from this website https://blog.daum.net/kwon.m.ki/1339?category=3885
This image is allegedly Kaesong (which depending on the source either had an incomplete trolleybus system or a dismantled one) but I'm not sure it can be matched by map to Kaesong. Where do you think this actually is?

Great find, many thanks for the photo! The routing of the segment through the city center was always unclear. It was known that trolleybuses operated through the main square and on the north side of the park (pictured, upfront). But the trolleybus depot was located on the south side of the park (behind buildings in the background, beyond the park in this photo).

It is now clear that Sinanju-bound trolleybuses operated via the one-way line to the north of the park (upfront), and trolleybuses operating from Sinanju went via the one-way line to the south of the park (background).

Following suspension of the long north-eastern branch over the bridge to the Chemical Plant in about 2000, only the Sinanju-Anju half of the network remained for sometime. Hence the line around the park became a loop - this is how trolleybuses turned around in Anju.

I've updated the map accordingly:
http://goo.gl/maps/x2ijc

Unfortunately, it looks like now the entire operations is suspended.

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Отличная находка, огромное спасибо за фото! Маршрутизация участка сети через центр города ранее была неточной. Было известно, что троллейбусы курсировали по главной площади и по северной стороне парка (фото, на первом плане). Но троллейбусное депо располагалось с южной стороны парка (на заднем плане за зданиями, на фото за парком).

Теперь ясно, что троллейбусы, идущие на Синанджу, следовали по односторонней линии к северу от парка (первый план), а троллейбусы из Синанджу следовали по односторонней линии к югу от парка (на заднем плане).

После приостановки движения по длинной северо-восточной чести сети через мост к химическому заводу примерно в 2000 году, на какое-то время в работе оставалась только половина сети, участок Синанджу - Анджу. Таким образом, линия вокруг парка превратилась в кольцо - так троллейбусы разворачивались в Анджу.

Обновил карту соответственно:
http://goo.gl/maps/x2ijc

К сожалению, похоже, что сейчас работа троллейбуса в Анджу полностью приостановлена.

я вижу что провода уходят влево.

> Enlarge via click — Увеличивается по клику.

Просьба к местным экспертам определить, уходит ли данная линия по улице влево за пределы кадра? Или провода всё жне оборачиваются вокруг данной площади, просто левая граница кольца осталась немного за кадром.

Это поможет установить, заканчивалась ли данная линия на площади, или всё же шла к ж.д. вокзалу Синанджу. Схема сети:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid...04&z=13
Место съёмки данного фото - в левом нижнем конце линии.

> Mitya Bolotskiy, Донецк

XD, xD, X-D, хД — смайлик, обозначающий смех с зажмуренными глазами.

Вам сложившаяся ситуация доставляет некое дополнительное личное удовольствие? Красноречиво.

Вот меня лично, ситуация, когда из-за чьей-то политики нельзя заниматься транспортом, очень расстраивает.

ахахах xD