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Lviv, LiAZ-6236 # б/н
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Вулиця Тролейбусна
ЛіАЗ покинув львівське депо

Author: Romann · Lviv           Date: Wednesday, July 17, 2019

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Published 17.07.2019 22:01 MSK
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Lviv, LiAZ-6236 # б/н

Operator/Facility:Private owner
Model:LiAZ-6236
Built:09.2008
Serial number:1
VIN:XTY001
Current state:Transferred to another city (17.07.2019) Out of service
Service:Passenger car
Remarks:22.03.2016 ex Pernik, ЛиАЗ-6236; 1.04.2009 ex Plovdiv, ЛиАЗ-6236. 18.07.2019 to Lutsk, б/н
Модель — ЛиАЗ-6236 (на базе ЛиАЗ-6213)
Частично собран на авторемонтном заводе г. Дупница из двух секций.
Заводской номер секции А — 001, секции В — 002
Мотор ТАД-280 с ТрСУ "Чергос"

С 10.2008 по 01.04.2009 г. и вероятно после 14.04.2010 г. троллейбус находился на авторемонтном заводе г. Дупница.

Comments · 34

17.07.2019 22:11 MSK
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CitaroMH · Essen - Mülheim an der Ruhr
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Is the ViN XTY62360080000001?
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17.07.2019 22:21 MSK
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Jan de Vu · Lviv
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NO! VIN XTY001
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17.07.2019 23:03 MSK
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Has anyone taken the vehicle plate picture?
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17.07.2019 23:08 MSK
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Romann · Lviv
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Personally I haven’t( that’s a pity
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17.07.2019 23:10 MSK
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Quote (Jan de Vu, 17.07.2019):
> NO! VIN XTY001

The source?
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17.07.2019 23:22 MSK
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Romann · Lviv
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Цитата (MrPh, 17.07.2019):
> Quote (Jan de Vu, 17.07.2019):
> > NO! VIN XTY001
>
> The source?

https://setam.net.ua/auction/330720 information about auction, where is it’s VIN
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17.07.2019 23:23 MSK
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CitaroMH · Essen - Mülheim an der Ruhr
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XTY001 is a very short ViN.
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17.07.2019 23:32 MSK
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Romann · Lviv
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I understand, but it’s the only available information
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17.07.2019 23:42 MSK
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Quote (Romann, 17.07.2019):
> https://setam.net.ua/auction/330720 information about auction, where is it’s VIN

Can't be treated as official. Looks like an abbreviation.
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17.07.2019 23:46 MSK
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Romann · Lviv
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XTY62130040000001 this also can’t be?
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18.07.2019 00:05 MSK
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Santehnik · Kyiv
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Цитата (Jan de Vu, 17.07.2019):
> NO! VIN XTY001

This is not VIN, this is plant number of first section.
Second section has plant number XTY002.
Trolleybus has no VIN.

Цитата (MrPh, 17.07.2019):
> Can't be treated as official. Looks like an abbreviation.

Why not? There is no VIN in official description ;)
> заводський номер секції А - XTY001, заводський номер секції В - XTY002
Plant number != VIN :)
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18.07.2019 01:19 MSK
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CitaroMH · Essen - Mülheim an der Ruhr
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Ah, now I understand.
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18.07.2019 07:13 MSK
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Quote (Santehnik, 17.07.2019):
> Trolleybus has no VIN.
>
> There is no VIN in official description ;)

How do you know that "Trolleybus has no VIN"?
And where have you seen the "official description"?
Apparently more exact just to say: We didn't see the factory plate. Even not sure it exists. So VIN is unknown.

Cheers :)
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18.07.2019 09:05 MSK
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Santehnik · Kyiv
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Цитата (MrPh, 18.07.2019):
> How do you know that "Trolleybus has no VIN"?

VIN is not listed in the documents or on the factory plates. It simply does not exist and there is nothing strange about it.

Цитата (MrPh, 18.07.2019):
> And where have you seen the "official description"?

In the documents that were used for import to Ukraine.

Цитата (MrPh, 18.07.2019):
> Apparently more exact just to say: We didn't see the factory plate. Even not sure it exists. So VIN is unknown.

Trolleybus has at least one factory plate with XTY001 number. And this is not a VIN :)
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18.07.2019 09:53 MSK
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2 Santehnik

So as far as I understand you happened to see the factory plate with your own eyes. Can you confirm the plate was still original after numerous vehicle transfers?
The same with customs data - it's only derivative papers according to data provided by importer. Do you have an access to the original manufacturer's documents when the vehicle left the manufacturer's works?

Thanks. I believe our short investigation will help to close the issue in question :)
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18.07.2019 19:22 MSK
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Romann · Lviv
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For English-speakers
http://transphoto.ru/photo/1236879/
This trolleybus today has appeared in Lutsk trolley depot
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18.07.2019 21:19 MSK
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CitaroMH · Essen - Mülheim an der Ruhr
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I have asked here for a photo of the ViN plate http://transphoto.ru/photo/1237338
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18.07.2019 21:51 MSK
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Jan de Vu · Lviv
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18.07.2019 22:05 MSK
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Romann · Lviv
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So simply...
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18.07.2019 22:13 MSK
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Santehnik · Kyiv
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Цитата (MrPh, 18.07.2019):
> So as far as I understand you happened to see the factory plate with your own eyes. Can you confirm the plate was still original after numerous vehicle transfers?
> The same with customs data - it's only derivative papers according to data provided by importer. Do you have an access to the original manufacturer's documents when the vehicle left the manufacturer's works?

First of all, the big question is whether we can consider this product to be a trolleybus :)
The documents that the importer submits must refer to something. The second point is that the officer, when checking identification numbers, must make sure that the identification numbers on the body coincide with what is indicated in the documents.
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18.07.2019 23:46 MSK
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CitaroMH · Essen - Mülheim an der Ruhr
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XTY001 is a very short ViN.
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18.07.2019 23:51 MSK
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Romann · Lviv
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So... what can we do? Officially VIN is XTY001, even if it’s too short, in the plate and in documents, it is XTY001
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19.07.2019 00:46 MSK
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CitaroMH · Essen - Mülheim an der Ruhr
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So we can do nothing and now we have the official ViN.
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19.07.2019 08:35 MSK
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Santehnik · Kyiv
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This is not a VIN, this is a plant number of first section :)
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19.07.2019 14:45 MSK
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2 Jan de Vu

Thanks for capturing the plate photo.

2 Santehnik

So the factory plate tells us nothing about VIN.
Only the original manufacturer's documents when the vehicle was leaving the manufacturer's assembling works can clarify finally either the vehicle was assigned VIN and if yes what VIN actually was.
Thanks.
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19.07.2019 14:46 MSK
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Santehnik · Kyiv
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Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> So the factory plate tells us nothing about VIN.

It tells that this vehicle has no VIN code.

Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Only the original manufacturer's documents when the vehicle was leaving the manufacturer's assembling works can clarify finally either the vehicle was assigned VIN and if yes what VIN actually was.

Any identification number which is specified in the factory documents must be confirmed by a nameplate and stamped on the body. As we can see, the VIN code on the name plate is missing.
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19.07.2019 14:50 MSK
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Quote (Santehnik, 19.07.2019):
> Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> > So the factory plate tells us nothing about VIN.
>
> It tells that this vehicle has no VIN code

That's just play on words.
Look for the original manufacturer's documents if you want to dig up the truth :)
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19.07.2019 14:53 MSK
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Santehnik · Kyiv
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Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Look for the original manufacturer's documents if you want to dig up the truth :)

Even if some set of numbers and letters will be indicated in documents issued by the plant - it will not be valid without confirmation on the plate and the body.
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19.07.2019 15:07 MSK
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Quote (Santehnik, 19.07.2019):
> Even if some set of numbers and letters will be indicated in documents issued by the plant - it will not be valid without confirmation on the plate and the body.

We've already known the actual current state thanks to Jan de Vu.
Now we are looking for originals of the vehicle.
Should you really needed to be explained how often factory plates may be replaced or removed :)

Thanks. Will be waiting if someone would be able to reveal the original (stress here) manufacturer's documents.
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19.07.2019 15:12 MSK
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Santehnik · Kyiv
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Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Now we are looking for originals of the vehicle.
> Should you really needed to be explained how often factory plates may be replaced or removed :)

Factory plate original.

Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Will be waiting if someone would be able to reveal the original (stress here) manufacturer's documents.

This is impossible because there is no such documents. LiAZ never sold trolleybus "ЛиАЗ-6236". So you can wait for it forever :)
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19.07.2019 15:32 MSK
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Quote (Santehnik, 19.07.2019):
> This is impossible because there is no such documents. LiAZ never sold trolleybus "ЛиАЗ-6236". So you can wait for it forever :)

You've made me a day :)
Do you really believe any details of the manufacturer's business can stay traceless in the world of financiers, auditors and taxers?
The question is either anybody wants to find out the needed info.
Thanks :)
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19.07.2019 15:34 MSK
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Santehnik · Kyiv
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Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Do you really believe any details of the manufacturer's business can stay traceless in the world of financiers, auditors and taxers?
> The question is either anybody wants to find out the needed info.

The real world is somewhat more complicated than the ideal world :)

P.S If it is impossible to read between the lines, then I will say more directly - LiAZ did not sell the trolleybus, LiAZ sold two body sections :)
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19.07.2019 16:18 MSK
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Quote (Santehnik, 19.07.2019):
> LiAZ did not sell the trolleybus, LiAZ sold two body sections :)

Fine. The truth usually tends to come out :)
The whole truth? :)
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19.07.2019 17:16 MSK
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Santehnik · Kyiv
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What you searching?
This khm... trolleybus acquired by Chelyapin and company (Google "Челяпин ЛАЗ") in order to resell.
After arriving in Ukraine the trolleybus received a certificate UA 1.193.0076509-15 "ТРОЛЕЙБУС LIAZ 6236 , Б/К" in which the manufacturer is specified "'ЛИКИНСКИЙ АВТОБУСНЫЙ ЗАВОД', РОСIЙСЬКА ФЕДЕРАЦIЯ"
But LiAZ did not manufacture this trolleybus, he sold the parts with numbers 001 and 002.
So this vehicle do not have a VIN code, but this vehicle has a document that it is a trolleybus with two section numbers :))
Everything is very simple.
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