Looks simple but effective ;)

it is Russia

Yes, Russian tram. But original Tatra T3 panel is also looking simple, but effective. This, or modern electronic: Important is a save and relieable voyage for driver and passengers. It is interesting for me, to see Russian tram, because I know only Czech Tatra T3 ;)

The original panel Russian tram:
http://transphoto.ru/photo/296002/

Цитата (Katinka, 21.02.2016):
> But original Tatra T3 panel is also looking simple, but effective.

Actualy, this panel is simpler :) It has got nothing special. But if we talk about appearance, this is not the worst panel of russian tram :)

Цитата (Katinka, 21.02.2016):
> to see Russian tram,

In the year of manufacture is more of a Soviet tram).
Also, you can not only see but also hear it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qctOuazWMc :)

Thank you for the informations. I wonder, is this driven with pedals like Tatra T3 or is it driven same way as old Gotha trams - by hand-device on left side? And what is used? I believe not PCC accelerator?

Hand-device on left side: http://transphoto.ru/photo/883847/
71-605 - independent Soviet project, designed in the '60s. It does not borrow from the RCC. "Electrical tram KTM-5M3 (71-605) includes traction motors, start and stop the resistance, automatic group rheostat controller for switching power electric tram chains" - quote from the wiki.
P.S. Most of the new Russian trams also with hand control: http://transphoto.ru/photo/516786/ http://transphoto.ru/photo/736226/

Цитата (татр-т6б5, 21.02.2016):
> Цитата (Katinka, 21.02.2016):
> > to see Russian tram,
>
> In the year of manufacture is more of a Soviet tram).
> Also, you can not only see but also hear it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qctOuazWMc :)

I watched it. Very impressive long distance trip, I wonder what the sounds are, what I can hear in the background. I do not mean motor or doors but "blingblong" sounds.

Цитата (Katinka, 21.02.2016):
> "blingblong"

It is window panes, if I am not mistaken.

Thank you, I never heard such sound in a tram, usually windows and other parts were silent. Apart from some modern trams where is too much plastic used, which rattles.

It's my pleasure) Yes, it is loud and simple, but not killed like a tank.)

Цитата (татр-т6б5, 21.02.2016):
> not killed like a tank.)

Better to say in English 'cannot be destroyed like a tank'.

Цитата (Katinka, 21.02.2016):
> Thank you, I never heard such sound in a tram, usually windows and other parts were silent.

Unfortunately a big number of the trams in Russia are like rusty buckets.
Cause russian tram is trying to "survive"...

I'm sorry! Am I in Russia? In Saratov?

Quote (elrond1_2eleven, 21.02.2016):
> Better to say in English 'cannot be destroyed like a tank'.

I'm sorry for my English, sometimes it is necessary to use the Google-translator. :)

спасибо THANK YOU - DANKE to you all!

This model of tram - is built in a similar big series like the famous Tatra T3. Yet, it is not known by European tram-"fans".

I started to get courious about this type of tram - wanted to know more.

Unfortunatelly I only know a few Russian words .. Добрый день, спасибо, пожалуйста, до свидания .. like this so I asked in English.

I am happy, you accepted this, and answered my questions and helped me, to understand a bit more, this type of tram.

Цитата (Katinka, 21.02.2016):
> is built in a similar big series like the famous Tatra T3

More to say - this is the most mass model tram in the world. Built on 878 trams more than Tatra T3.
Unfortunately, such rates production of trams like at the Soviet Union is no more.

Хренассе!!!

Цитата (татр-т6б5, 21.02.2016):

>
> More to say - this is the most mass model tram in the world. Built on 878 trams more than Tatra T3.

И каково общее количество 71-605 ?
Почему спрашиваю, т.к. есть вопросы о числе построенных Т3. Другими словами поставки не во всех городах праивльно учтены были.

Всего было построено более 14 000 вагонов КТМ-5М, КТМ-5М3, 71-605, 71-605У и 71-605А всех модификаций, что позволило им стать самой массовой моделью трамвайного вагона в мире.

Это все знают, просто интересно точное кол-во. Пользователь указал разницу между цифрами 71-605 и Т3. Полагаю у него точные данные :)

Цитата (Tatrowitsch, 22.02.2016):
> Это все знают, просто интересно точное кол-во.

Кто их точнее считал-то? Теоретически если только Яков Титенок покопается в заводских архивах, и то нет уверенности что за столько десятилетий можно выйти на точную цифру.

"Built on 878 trams more than Tatra T3"

Дмитрий Викторович видимо, считал

One more question: On Tatra you can see the motor cooling intake on the side of the car. I have not seen that on KTM-5. Where do have this? On the sides front of the car, there are two small doors to open. What is behind? It is for access for electric maintenance? ;)

Tatrowitsch, данные все той же википедии, не усложняйте.) А факт весьма известный.

Цитата (Katinka, 22.02.2016):
> One more question: On Tatra you can see the motor cooling intake on the side of the car. I have not seen that on KTM-5. Where do have this?

At the bottom. Under the floor of a car there are cases for accumulators, static DC 600 V - DC 24 V transformer, main rheostat controller with servo-engine and main engines' rheostats of acceleration and brakes. They are maintained through 7 bulwarks.

Цитата (Katinka, 22.02.2016):
> On the sides front of the car, there are two small doors to open. What is behind? It is for access for electric maintenance?

Yes, that square doors under the side windows provide access to relays in driver's cabin - of driver's controller and reverse mechanism at the left side and relays of different use at the right.

Elrond, thank you very much for your information. An interesting design. I do wonder, the doors under the window with electric equipment.. never a problem in wet weather, heavy rain etc, or as seen here, second car with open door.http://transphoto.ru/photo/888320/ I have never seen before on any other before, so it is interesting to explore.

That doors had some elastic strips as gaskets... I'm afraid those rubber long ago became only crumbs, but engineers foresaw it and made skirting around. Also equipment is placed rather deep, voltage is not high (28 V only, as far as I know) so water is not main problem.
I dare to advise you to look at the photos of withdrawn trams of Zavodskoe depot at the "boneyard", for example
http://transphoto.ru/photo/443024/
http://transphoto.ru/photo/185083/
http://transphoto.ru/photo/297120/
http://transphoto.ru/photo/256637/
http://transphoto.ru/photo/751886/ and so on.
Here are wheels http://transphoto.ru/photo/140681/

большое спасибо!! For the lesson of anatomy of the KTM-5. It is built much different than the other big model "Tatra T3 and very interesting.

Цитата (татр-т6б5, 22.02.2016):
> Tatrowitsch, данные все той же википедии, не усложняйте.) А факт весьма известный.

Вики я читал. И Sarman процитировал как раз данные с портала.

Более 14 000 вагонов. А если сложить цифры, то получается 14991 ед.

Но вики не является авторитетным источником информации в принципе. Поэтому я и "пристал" с данным вопросом, думая, что кто-то
лучше знает :)

В википедии есть ссылки на АИ, по ним и ищите.

Смотрел ))
Само интересное, что данные источника расходятся с цифрами указанными в статье вики.

I have meanwhile been doing some "research" to find out more details. In 1966 started to build the KTM-5 in the design as they can be seen today. Some specual features like the corrugated metal on the sides. 3 doors attached on the outside, moving sideways.
Sideways opening doors are better than folding doors or inward opening ones, as passengers do not get "kicked in the ass" by for example Tatra doors. But: WHO is responsible for the design? The Tatra designed by Kardaus.. and the KTM-5?

Цитата (Katinka, 25.02.2016):
> Sideways opening doors are better than folding doors or inward opening ones

Not sure. At least for the 71-605 with its poor thermal insulation, however being designed for use in severe Russian winter.

As for the exterior design of the tram, Wikipedia tells it was made by VNIITE (All-Soviet Research Institute of Technical Æsthetics) with no specific names mentioned. However, there are some people that deep into tram history who can tell a bit more.

Цитата (Katinka, 25.02.2016):
> Sideways opening doors are better than folding doors or inward opening ones,

Yea, I always with deep sorrow look at KTM-19 trams. Their inward-opening doors suffer great in peak-ours.

Цитата (Stepch, 25.02.2016):
> its poor thermal insulation, however being designed for use in severe Russian winter.

The main problem is in excluded heating elements, not insulation. With "Etna"s 71-605 are not terribly cold at -25 C outwards, and at -5 they are perfect moving saunas.

Frequently I observe the situation when the CME of the KTM- 19 is at a stop and can not close the door. Some passengers have to leave the car, the doors can be closed .

Цитата (elrond1_2eleven, 25.02.2016):
> Цитата (Stepch, 25.02.2016):
> > its poor thermal insulation, however being designed for use in severe Russian winter.
>
> The main problem is in excluded heating elements, not insulation. With "Etna"s 71-605 are not terribly cold at -25 C outwards, and at -5 they are perfect moving saunas.

That means, the heating is made for cold winters ONLY but in milder condition the passengers will take their clothes off :) It is not possible to regulate the heating? Only on-off?
Heating in Tatea T3.. under the seat, I always liked that, in winter in Prague.. never cold.

Цитата (elrond1_2eleven, 25.02.2016):
> The main problem is in excluded heating elements, not insulation. With "Etna"s...

ETNA (a tram/trolleybus heater) never was a default heating system for 71-605, so it is a kind of modernization. And still there is a terrible loss of heat through the doors even in closed state - just a 'feature' of the original construction.

Цитата (Katinka, 25.02.2016):
> Heating in Tatea T3.. under the seat, I always liked that, in winter in Prague.. never cold.

By the way, the original heating system in 71-605/KTM-5 was quite similar to Tatra T3, I believe. Moreover, take a look of the very first 71-605 prototype:
http://transphoto.ru/vehicle/185585/

They have something in common, do they?

True, I have seen this!! A true relative to the Tatea T3. Two prototypes built.The ones built from 1966 look like nowadays, so I did wonder, who made this design, which is unique and looks like no other tram and in fact, looks as far away from Kardaus' Tatra design as possible.

Цитата (Stepch, 25.02.2016):
> terrible loss of heat through the doors even in closed state

So KTM-5 and -8 aren't so stuffy both summer and winter, as KTM-19 and buses are - alike euro-scrap and new Russian, Belorussian and Ukraine ones.

Zitat (elrond1_2eleven, 25.02.2016):
> Цитата (Stepch, 25.02.2016):
> > terrible loss of heat through the doors even in closed state
>
> So KTM-5 and -8 aren't so stuffy both summer and winter, as KTM-19 and buses are - alike euro-scrap and new Russian, Belorussian and Ukraine ones.

It is needed to have some "indirect air intake" to avoid stuffy feeling and heat. Unfortunatelly I seen such only on old Prague Metro trains. There is nothing worse than trams like almost vacuum. Better have cold wind around ears than feeling like in a gas-room. Unfortunatelly true - European trams not have this. Tatra T3 has huge windows AND on roof you can open. So for me the Tatra wins against any modern tram for me... still, after many decades.

Regarding tram I can tell you something: Not everything that comes from the West is automatically better because it comes from the West. Tatra tram is a good example for this :)))