Is the ViN XTY62360080000001?

NO! VIN XTY001

Has anyone taken the vehicle plate picture?

Personally I haven’t( that’s a pity

Quote (Jan de Vu, 17.07.2019):
> NO! VIN XTY001

The source?

Цитата (MrPh, 17.07.2019):
> Quote (Jan de Vu, 17.07.2019):
> > NO! VIN XTY001
>
> The source?

https://setam.net.ua/auction/330720 information about auction, where is it’s VIN

XTY001 is a very short ViN.

I understand, but it’s the only available information

Quote (Romann, 17.07.2019):
> https://setam.net.ua/auction/330720 information about auction, where is it’s VIN

Can't be treated as official. Looks like an abbreviation.

XTY62130040000001 this also can’t be?

Цитата (Jan de Vu, 17.07.2019):
> NO! VIN XTY001

This is not VIN, this is plant number of first section.
Second section has plant number XTY002.
Trolleybus has no VIN.

Цитата (MrPh, 17.07.2019):
> Can't be treated as official. Looks like an abbreviation.

Why not? There is no VIN in official description ;)
> заводський номер секції А - XTY001, заводський номер секції В - XTY002
Plant number != VIN :)

Ah, now I understand.

Quote (Santehnik, 17.07.2019):
> Trolleybus has no VIN.
>
> There is no VIN in official description ;)

How do you know that "Trolleybus has no VIN"?
And where have you seen the "official description"?
Apparently more exact just to say: We didn't see the factory plate. Even not sure it exists. So VIN is unknown.

Cheers :)

Цитата (MrPh, 18.07.2019):
> How do you know that "Trolleybus has no VIN"?

VIN is not listed in the documents or on the factory plates. It simply does not exist and there is nothing strange about it.

Цитата (MrPh, 18.07.2019):
> And where have you seen the "official description"?

In the documents that were used for import to Ukraine.

Цитата (MrPh, 18.07.2019):
> Apparently more exact just to say: We didn't see the factory plate. Even not sure it exists. So VIN is unknown.

Trolleybus has at least one factory plate with XTY001 number. And this is not a VIN :)

2 Santehnik

So as far as I understand you happened to see the factory plate with your own eyes. Can you confirm the plate was still original after numerous vehicle transfers?
The same with customs data - it's only derivative papers according to data provided by importer. Do you have an access to the original manufacturer's documents when the vehicle left the manufacturer's works?

Thanks. I believe our short investigation will help to close the issue in question :)

For English-speakers
http://transphoto.ru/photo/1236879/
This trolleybus today has appeared in Lutsk trolley depot

I have asked here for a photo of the ViN plate http://transphoto.ru/photo/1237338

Plate https://1drv.ms/u/s!AsKPIzEWItNFnLIRFnj8r-iCaBMGcA?e=cBcSzW

So simply...

Цитата (MrPh, 18.07.2019):
> So as far as I understand you happened to see the factory plate with your own eyes. Can you confirm the plate was still original after numerous vehicle transfers?
> The same with customs data - it's only derivative papers according to data provided by importer. Do you have an access to the original manufacturer's documents when the vehicle left the manufacturer's works?

First of all, the big question is whether we can consider this product to be a trolleybus :)
The documents that the importer submits must refer to something. The second point is that the officer, when checking identification numbers, must make sure that the identification numbers on the body coincide with what is indicated in the documents.

XTY001 is a very short ViN.

So... what can we do? Officially VIN is XTY001, even if it’s too short, in the plate and in documents, it is XTY001

So we can do nothing and now we have the official ViN.

This is not a VIN, this is a plant number of first section :)

2 Jan de Vu

Thanks for capturing the plate photo.

2 Santehnik

So the factory plate tells us nothing about VIN.
Only the original manufacturer's documents when the vehicle was leaving the manufacturer's assembling works can clarify finally either the vehicle was assigned VIN and if yes what VIN actually was.
Thanks.

Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> So the factory plate tells us nothing about VIN.

It tells that this vehicle has no VIN code.

Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Only the original manufacturer's documents when the vehicle was leaving the manufacturer's assembling works can clarify finally either the vehicle was assigned VIN and if yes what VIN actually was.

Any identification number which is specified in the factory documents must be confirmed by a nameplate and stamped on the body. As we can see, the VIN code on the name plate is missing.

Quote (Santehnik, 19.07.2019):
> Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> > So the factory plate tells us nothing about VIN.
>
> It tells that this vehicle has no VIN code

That's just play on words.
Look for the original manufacturer's documents if you want to dig up the truth :)

Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Look for the original manufacturer's documents if you want to dig up the truth :)

Even if some set of numbers and letters will be indicated in documents issued by the plant - it will not be valid without confirmation on the plate and the body.

Quote (Santehnik, 19.07.2019):
> Even if some set of numbers and letters will be indicated in documents issued by the plant - it will not be valid without confirmation on the plate and the body.

We've already known the actual current state thanks to Jan de Vu.
Now we are looking for originals of the vehicle.
Should you really needed to be explained how often factory plates may be replaced or removed :)

Thanks. Will be waiting if someone would be able to reveal the original (stress here) manufacturer's documents.

Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Now we are looking for originals of the vehicle.
> Should you really needed to be explained how often factory plates may be replaced or removed :)

Factory plate original.

Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Will be waiting if someone would be able to reveal the original (stress here) manufacturer's documents.

This is impossible because there is no such documents. LiAZ never sold trolleybus "ЛиАЗ-6236". So you can wait for it forever :)

Quote (Santehnik, 19.07.2019):
> This is impossible because there is no such documents. LiAZ never sold trolleybus "ЛиАЗ-6236". So you can wait for it forever :)

You've made me a day :)
Do you really believe any details of the manufacturer's business can stay traceless in the world of financiers, auditors and taxers?
The question is either anybody wants to find out the needed info.
Thanks :)

Цитата (MrPh, 19.07.2019):
> Do you really believe any details of the manufacturer's business can stay traceless in the world of financiers, auditors and taxers?
> The question is either anybody wants to find out the needed info.

The real world is somewhat more complicated than the ideal world :)

P.S If it is impossible to read between the lines, then I will say more directly - LiAZ did not sell the trolleybus, LiAZ sold two body sections :)

Quote (Santehnik, 19.07.2019):
> LiAZ did not sell the trolleybus, LiAZ sold two body sections :)

Fine. The truth usually tends to come out :)
The whole truth? :)

What you searching?
This khm... trolleybus acquired by Chelyapin and company (Google "Челяпин ЛАЗ") in order to resell.
After arriving in Ukraine the trolleybus received a certificate UA 1.193.0076509-15 "ТРОЛЕЙБУС LIAZ 6236 , Б/К" in which the manufacturer is specified "'ЛИКИНСКИЙ АВТОБУСНЫЙ ЗАВОД', РОСIЙСЬКА ФЕДЕРАЦIЯ"
But LiAZ did not manufacture this trolleybus, he sold the parts with numbers 001 and 002.
So this vehicle do not have a VIN code, but this vehicle has a document that it is a trolleybus with two section numbers :))
Everything is very simple.